I spend a lot of time puttering around on the internet. Every morning I get up and start googling
random crap and cruising through YouTube subscriptions and trendings. It inevitably happens. At some point a search for one specific thing
will lead me to something completely different and it will be that something
completely different that will unexpectedly educate and inspire me.
Today I ended up on
this video on YouTube. It’s an interview from 1984 between Johnny
Carson and Boy George.
History lesson time.
Before James Corden rode around in a car singing with superstars and
Stephen Colbert lampooned newsmakers with mock earnestness, there was an old
white guy who sat behind a desk and did some interviews and cracked some
jokes. In the interest of full
disclosure I wasn’t a fan. But a lot of
folks tuned in because, really, he was the only game in town until folks like
Joan Rivers and Arsenio Hall brought life and variety to the late night talk
show arena. But Carson was kind of the
godfather of it all.
So, picture it.
1984. The AIDS crisis is
evolving. Ronald Reagan is president and
neither he nor his First Lady, Nancy, will acknowledge the crisis because they
don’t even want to be associated with the dirty word “homosexual.” That doesn’t stop religious leaders and conservative
politicians from making hay on the suffering of others by demonizing the
victims of the disease while declaring “God’s judgment” on “sinful and deviant
lifestyles.”
In the midst of this ignorant morass of silence and blame
and fear comes…Boy George.
That picture is a screen capture of Boy George from the
Johnny Carson interview. It was the
second time he had appeared on Carson’s show but the first time with
Carson. The first time he had appeared
the iconic Joan Rivers was hosting. This
is a fact that Boy George jokes about in the interview with Carson by
commenting, “The last time I was here you were in drag.” Carson quickly
distanced himself from the joke, clarifying that it had been Joan Rivers and
not Carson with whom he had appeared. If
I’m right, this is a picture of Boy George and Joan Rivers from that first
appearance.
So, back to the video of Carson, the old White guy with his
sense of humor that seems to ignore other people’s senses of humor, and Boy
George sitting on the opposite side of the desk in all of his Boy George
glory. In 1984. Amidst fear and ignorance. And remembering that the culture of the UK is
usually about 20 years ahead of culture in the US. So, for Boy George, the smallest things he
said or did at home were met with raised brows and anxiety here in the United
States.
Carson introduced Boy George, who comes in and makes the
joke about Carson being in drag that Carson finds so repugnant, and then the
interview begins. It’s clear where
Carson wants to go with the interview.
Not long before this appearance Boy George attended the Grammies
and made a joke about wondering when they music industry would see a real queen
dressed as a drag queen. Carson brings
up the controversy his comment caused and Boy George brushes it aside, pointing
out that in the UK you can say things like that and people laugh but in the US
it’s basically a big scandal. This
brings up a conversation about “all of the stupid questions” Boy George had
been answering since his arrival in LA from LA radio personalities.
“What are some of the dumb questions they ask so I know
which ones to avoid. I mean, the first
one has got to be,” and Johnny Carson makes sweeping gestures with his
hands. “Why do you dress like that?”
You can hear Boy George’s eyes rolling in his answer. “I’ve answered that one so many times I’m going
to avoid that one.”
“Okay, so what are the other questions?”
“Well, basic things like ‘How long does it take to do my
makeup?’ you know and just boring things about my childhood. Which was just the same as anybody else’s
really. Pretty dull. Pretty boring. So, Father Christmas, you know, and grazed
knees, that kind of stuff.”
“Yeah, but you can’t blame them, can you, Boy George, for
asking those kinds of questions. Because
you are rather controversial. It is
something new that—“
“But after like three years of seeing me you would think
people would be a bit used to me by now, you know. I mean, in a country that has
Liberace, I am hardly
revolutionary, am I?
And the audience cheers.
But see the difference between Boy George and Liberace is that Liberace’s
glam was still masculine. He still wore
tuxes and suits while performing. So
what if they were covered it glitter and sequence?
Johnny Carson continues.
“I’m trying not to be square you see. I come from the middle of the United
States. State called Nebraska, which is
right out in the middle of the country.
Rather conservative. Now if I was
your dad and you came home one day and I didn’t know it and I walked in and saw
you as a young man—I guess you were about fifteen or sixteen when you started
actually….wearing the make up and the costumes—I wouldn’t know how to react
myself. I think I would be adult enough
myself to try to handle it but—“
“What do you got to handle?”
“Well, the effect that you walk in and you see your son
dressing with makeup on. The average
person….”
“Okay, well, you’re going to have Halloween in a couple of
weeks, you know. What’s the difference
between somebody dressing up for Halloween?
It’s only because people think it’s serious that they get frightened. They look at me and they say, ‘Well, it’s not
a Halloween party.’ So you have to have
a reason to dress up. There is nothing
wrong with being different. Why do you
have to have an excuse to enjoy yourself?
You know there are people out there taking drugs, killing each other,
fighting. And like I just don’t see that
you have to wait once a year, Christmas or Halloween, to enjoy yourself. I think it’s a load of rubbish. I think there is nothing wrong with dressing
up and enjoying yourself if you want.”
“I think you’re right.
I think what you said before though…people are probably uncomfortable
though with some things they don’t quite understand or something that’s
different from them and they get uptight about it.”
I’ll leave the transcript there because it speaks to the
points I want to make. [Go and watch the video, though. It’s fascinating. ]
In 1984, when Boy George was being interviewed by Johnny
Carson, I was in the sixth grade. I
remember my class’s Halloween party. We
still dressed up “back in the day” and spent the afternoon munching candy and
watching movies. One of my classmates
dressed up as Boy George. I knew it was
a Boy George costume because she had obviously done the makeup and hair thing
but she had written “Boy George” on her t-shirt. My teacher, who was about the age of Johnny Carson,
had a conniption. He ranted about the
costume being inappropriate and offensive.
And it was a female classmate
dressed up as Boy George.
Of course this was the same teacher who demanded a male
student remove his earring.
This was the mentality of the time. It’s gotten better, to be sure, but we still
have such a long way to go. Someone I
follow on social media just tweeted
today that if people fought as hard for the poor as they fight against equal
rights and protections, poverty would be history.
But Johnny Carson, in this interview, actually makes a
point. He pointed out that people are
uncomfortable with things they don’t understand or things that are different
from them. And make no mistake about it—Johnny
Carson and Boy George and a significant segment of the audience knew that this
conversation had nothing to do with make-up and clothes. This was about identifying as something other
than straight (on Boy George’s side) and the fear of validating something that
not even the president would even speak about (on Johnny Carson’s side).
I don’t know what the conversation was like in the UK or
other parts of the world, but in the United States, at this time, coming out
wasn’t an option for many artists and actors. For example, George Michael at this same time
was making it big with Wham!. And
speculation was just as bad. If I had a
dime for every time I heard a story about the members of New Kids on the Block
having their stomach pumped to find gallons of bodily fluids, I could have
retired at age 20. I even remember
watching some awards show with my folks one time and hearing my mother comment
about how masculine Grace Slick from Jefferson Starship was trying to be while
performing “We Built This City.”
More and more I find myself stopping in my tracks to take
stock of how far we’ve come, not just in the LGBTQ community but as a
society. Sharing our stories, when we
can and how much we can and in whatever overt or veiled language we can,
changes things. It started somewhere. It didn’t begin with Boy George on Johnny
Carson and it’s certainly not going to end with marriage equality or the
overturning of
North
Carolina’s disgusting law. We all
play our parts, when we can, how we can.
We show our faces with courage.
We move in small circles for our own safety. We speak from behind the curtain of the
internet to protect the people who love us.
I’ve written
before about Troye Sivan. Last week
Troye Sivan tweeted, “I am forever indebted and so so so grateful for the
LGBTQ+ people who have come before me.” This hit me for a variety of reasons but the
truth of it is so poignant. Troye Sivan,
global recording superstar, gay, out at 20, changing the world. But not just him.
Jordan Gray (@TallDarkFriend), trans
contestant on
The Voice UK, sharing
her powerful story. Noah Galvin on TV—a gay
man playing a gay teen on
The Real O’Neals. YouTuber stars from all over the world, out
and proud and sharing their stories, continuing the fight for equality so that
the next generation of LGBTQ people won’t have to struggle so hard.
But here’s the flip side of Troye Sivan’s grateful
statement. My response: “The ones who came before are grateful to the
ones who come after; you’re still changing the world & us.”
You see, this is the reality in which I live. The world has yet to open for me. The light of peace and acceptance (of the
world toward me and me toward the world, for that matter) hasn’t reached the
dark recesses of my “closet.” But I
celebrate these rewards that have been hard won and the ability of those who
can live in that light. I am
thrilled when I see Troye Sivan changing
the world with his music. I am
thrilled when I read about Cole Ledford’s
“
Fifty States of Gay”
project. I am
thrilled when I see someone like Jordan Gray on a
national/international platform like
The
Voice, not only sharing her gift and her story, but doing it with Boy
George himself watching and tearing up for each of her performances.
And all of these and more give
me hope that maybe the world will change enough for me and this
light will break open my prison door. You
see, in a place where teachers flipped out over girls dressing like Boy George
and
students
assaulting other students just because they might
be gay all with the blessing and support of a Church that loves Jesus but
not enough to actually listen to the things Jesus says—for people who lived in
these places, people like me, then and now, people like Boy George and Troye
Sivan mean nothing. They could be from a
completely different world, somewhere over the rainbow (if you’ll pardon the
expression).
But from within my closet, I hear their words coming to me
from that magical place of hope. They
inspire me, the one who came before who, from the shadows, fought and still
fights, It’s a cycle, I suppose. An enormous wheel. Where does what one generation give to the
next begin and end?
I hear their words and they tell me of a time I will be able to be me without causing the people I love and
who love me a pain they don’t deserve for something not in their control
anymore than the pain I’ve suffered for things outside of my control. I’ve lived as a
victim of the world’s ignorance for this long.
With these glimpses of hope, I can wait.
I will not victimize others to escape my lot.
So I keep watch. I
listen. I write and I speak what I can,
when I can, how I can. And I hope I make
a difference. Probably not as big of a
difference as Boy George, Troye Sivan, or Jordan Gray. But hopefully a difference, if only to one
person. Because that one person still has the potential to change the
world.
Addendum: About 30 minutes after posting this entry I found
the interview of Boy George with Joan Rivers. An astounding difference. Night and day. Whereas Carson backs away from Boy George, Joan Rivers sings his praises, calling him "cute and sexy."
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